========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:32:32 ARG Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Jorge Sosa Subject: Minnig activities and c14. Dear List: I have a question. Does anybody know wich are (or not) the probable consequences for c14 analisys, of minnig activities around archaeological sites?. The question is related to following situation. I work in a longitudinal valley (Santa Maria del Yokavil, in Catamarca Province, ARGENTINA) of 100 Km lengh, where there are a lot of archaeological sites with stone walls, and where the predominant winds are from the south. In the south end of the valley (less than 80 km), there is ready to begin a mine of gold. So, could anybody help me, telling me wich are the probably consequences for c14 analysis (or other too) of the residues that the mine will throw to the air?. Thanks in advance!!! Lic. Jorge Sosa Museo Etnografico. Facultad de filosofia y Letras Universidad de Buenos Aires telefax: (54-1)9543233 e-mail: jsosa@ethnik.filo.uba.ar ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:50:27 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: David Killick Subject: Away on a trip MIME-version: 1.0 David Killick is away in Tanzania and Kenya until August 15th. Please wait until then to send E-Mail, or leave a voice message with the office staff at (520)-621-2585 David Killick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:15:46 +0000 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Ian Campbell Subject: Re: Minnig activities and c14. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In general, I would think that as long as your samples do not run the risk of including modern pollen or other particulates, they will not the risk of including dust from the mining operation. remember that only carbon-bearing dust could be a problem, and assuming it is a hard-rock gold mine, there will be very little carbon-bearing dust generated - really only the emmissions from the trucks and other equipment. So as long as you are taking the usual precautions in sampling, I would not expect any problems. But then, I am not a 14-C specialist - just a user. | Dr. Ian D. Campbell o8o | | Canadian Forest Service 8Oo8oOoO | | 5320-122 St. Edmonton, AB ^ oO8O88o8o8 | | Canada T6H 3S5 ^^^ o8Oo8ooOooO ^ | | Tel: +1-403-435-7300 Fax: +1-403-435-7359 ^^^^^ 88oo8O88 ^^^ | | e-mail: icampbell@nofc.forestry.ca ^^^|^^^ || | | ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:27:16 ARG Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: DIANA LENTON Subject: Re: Minnig activities and c14. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970807081546.006efed4@odin.nofc.forestry.ca>; from Ian Campbell at Aug 07, 97 05:15 AM Thank you Dr. Ian Campbell. jsosa@ethnik.filo.uba.ar ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:36:13 +0000 Reply-To: onedge@shelby.net Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Adam Edgeworth Subject: Re: Minnig activities and c14. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DIANA LENTON wrote: > > Thank you Dr. Ian Campbell. > > jsosa@ethnik.filo.uba.ar Hey, can anyone out there tell me how I managed to get on this list and how I can manage to be removed from it? Thank you. Adam ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:21:02 -0400 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Richard Doyle Subject: Re: Minnig activities and c14. I wish I could give you a more detailed answer, but first I must ask you if you have anyway to measure the amount of pressure that your mine was under (Water Pressure), That is a hard thing to determine because it is my opinion that hydro-pressure and the movement of the earths crust may have a lot more to do with the precision of carbon dating than current knowledge ascertains. Pressure is needed to produce many of the minerals, (ex. diamonds) that are mined. Therefore it may be logical to assume that mines were under greater hydro-pressure than other areas. I know that intense heat is believed to be the cause of the formation of such minerials. But there is a need for pressure. This pressure can be applied over millions of years but as of now there is not enough research into just what hydro pressure could do. It would do it in a much shorter period of time. If the hydro pressure was enough it may cause the formation of such quartz or even diamonds in just days or hours. With that much pressure the entire crust of the earth couldbe effected. This could be the reason that there is not a constant rate of findings as opposed to depth and the irratic finding of carbon dated items where they should not be. If a mine were under hundreds of feet or even thousands of feet of water that pressure could change dating process of what you find. It could be that it isn't obsorbed into air as fast as the same materials that are the same age . Or even rendering false c14 readings because of that pressure. I have no empirical or significant data as of yet to support this but it seems that there may be a possiable connection. I know this dosn't answer your query but it may give you a line of reason to explore. I If I can be of service please let me know Richard Doyle 2340 MEadowbrook Gardens 134 Fort Worth, Tx., 76112 817-446-3276 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:43:51 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Owen Davis Subject: cross-posting from Quaternary list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: Glenn W Berger >Subject: AGU Symposium on Quaternary Geochronology > > ADVANCES IN QUATERNARY GEOCHRONOLOGY > >VENUE: FALL MEETING OF THE AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION > SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA, DECEMBER, 1997. > >Providing accurate ages for geologic materials of Quaternary age has often >proven to be a task of remarkable difficulty. Techniques that are routine, >precise, and reliable for older rocks and minerals may be hopelessly >imprecise for Quaternary materials, or their requirements for dating >material may make them largely irrelevant to most geological problems. The >past few years, however, have seen significant advances in Quaternary >dating methods along several fronts. Analytical advances in "classical" >techniques such as 14C, K-Ar, and U-series disequilibrium have extended >their age limits, dramatically increased their precision, and broadened >their range of datable material, while newer techniques such as cosmogenic >nuclides and trapped-charge methods (ESR and luminescence, including the >highly sensitive optical dating variants) have greatly extended the types >of Quaternary geologic problems that can be addressed. This symposium is >intended to bring both the producers and consumers of Quaternary >geochronology together and to disseminate an awareness of both the power >and the limitations of the states-of-the-art of the various techniques. >Papers that shed new light on the physical bases and limitations of >techniques are solicited, as well as case studies that demonstrate either >the power or the pitfalls of a method. > >Conveners: Alan Deino, Ken Ludwig, and Glenn Berger (Deino and Ludwig: >Berkeley Geochronology Center, 2455 Ridge Road, Berkeley CA 94709, Fax >(510) 644-9201); Deino Tel. (510) 644-1295, Email Adeino@bgc.org; Ludwig >Tel. (510) 644-0225, Email Kludwig@bgc.org; Berger: Quaternary Sciences >Center, Desert Research Institute, 7010 Dandini Blvd., Reno, NV 89512, Tel >(702) 673-7354, Fax (702) 674-7557, Email gwberger@maxey.dri.edu Owen K. Davis, Professor 520 621-7953 Department of Geosciences FAX 621-2672 University of Arizona palynolo@geo.arizona.edu Tucson, Arizona 85721 http://geo.arizona.edu/palynology http://geo.arizona.edu/antevs/surficial.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:16:55 +0900 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Koji Okumura Subject: Re: cross-posting from Quaternary list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp At 11:43 19-08-1997 -0700, Owen Davis wrote: >>From: Glenn W Berger >>Subject: AGU Symposium on Quaternary Geochronology >> >> ADVANCES IN QUATERNARY GEOCHRONOLOGY >> >>VENUE: FALL MEETING OF THE AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION >> SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA, DECEMBER, 1997. >> >>Providing accurate ages for geologic materials of Quaternary age has often >>proven to be a task of remarkable difficulty. Techniques that are routine, >>precise, and reliable for older rocks and minerals may be hopelessly >>imprecise for Quaternary materials, or their requirements for dating >>material may make them largely irrelevant to most geological problems. The >>past few years, however, have seen significant advances in Quaternary >>dating methods along several fronts. Analytical advances in "classical" >>techniques such as 14C, K-Ar, and U-series disequilibrium have extended >>their age limits, dramatically increased their precision, and broadened >>their range of datable material, while newer techniques such as cosmogenic >>nuclides and trapped-charge methods (ESR and luminescence, including the >>highly sensitive optical dating variants) have greatly extended the types >>of Quaternary geologic problems that can be addressed. This symposium is >>intended to bring both the producers and consumers of Quaternary >>geochronology together and to disseminate an awareness of both the power >>and the limitations of the states-of-the-art of the various techniques. >>Papers that shed new light on the physical bases and limitations of >>techniques are solicited, as well as case studies that demonstrate either >>the power or the pitfalls of a method. >> >>Conveners: Alan Deino, Ken Ludwig, and Glenn Berger (Deino and Ludwig: >>Berkeley Geochronology Center, 2455 Ridge Road, Berkeley CA 94709, Fax >>(510) 644-9201); Deino Tel. (510) 644-1295, Email Adeino@bgc.org; Ludwig >>Tel. (510) 644-0225, Email Kludwig@bgc.org; Berger: Quaternary Sciences >>Center, Desert Research Institute, 7010 Dandini Blvd., Reno, NV 89512, Tel >>(702) 673-7354, Fax (702) 674-7557, Email gwberger@maxey.dri.edu >Owen K. Davis, Professor 520 621-7953 >Department of Geosciences FAX 621-2672 >University of Arizona palynolo@geo.arizona.edu >Tucson, Arizona 85721 http://geo.arizona.edu/palynology > http://geo.arizona.edu/antevs/surficial.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:05:12 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Timothy Jull Subject: Radiocarbon journal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear C14 list subscribers, Most radiocarbon scientists, laboratories are familiar with our specialist journal, Radiocarbon. I hope many other users of radiocarbon measurements are also familiar with it. Radiocarbon serves as an important journal of record on this subject, and related subjects such as cosmogenic nuclides. We are now publishing volume 39 of this journal, which started in conjunction with the American J. of Science back in the 50's. Over the past several years, we have weathered several crises concerning this journal. First, the journal moved to Tucson and the Univ. of Arizona in 1989. Our editor since about 1980, Renee Kra, has maintained high standards for the journal. Second, at the Glasgow 1994 Radiocarbon Conference, we reported on a serious financial crisis at that time for the journal. We have since put in place measures to resolve those problems. I was also asked to assist in overseeing the financial stability of the journal. Third, as many of you know, Renee has been on disability for some time, due to a bout with cancer. She is still putting in many visits to the journal. The day-to-day running of the journal is now in the capable hands of David Sewell (Acting Managing Editor) and Kim Elliot. Most recently, we have noticed a continuing decline in the number of institutional subscriptions to our journal. Many faculty at universities will recognise this instantly. Academic libraries have been cutting back on easy targets of scientific journals for several years. This is because journal costs have increased dramatically, particularly for one very large publishing house which dominates the market. One journal I am told (J. Physics) costs $11,000 per year!!!! At the last Radiocarbon meeting in Groningen, the associate editors met and agreed we should undertake a campaign to remind Radiocarbon users and supporters of how they can help. I would very much like to remind all of those of you who attend Radiocarbon conferences and use our journal regularly that we need your financial as well as moral support. If you publish papers in the journal and use it for your science, I feel you should also consider if you are supporting it in other ways also. There are several specific measures I would suggest all Radiocarbon scientists and supporters can consider: 1. Does your institution subscribe to Radiocarbon? If not, why not? Its only $115 per year for an institutional subscription. Why not go to your library and ask? Has your library cut this journal recently? 2. Does your laboratory subscribe to Radiocarbon? At the U of A here, we do. Again, its $115 per year. If your lab doesn't subscribe, why not? 3. Do you subscribe to Radiocarbon? Many scientists I know find it useful to have a copy of the journal in their office. Our personal subscription is only $55 per year. 4. The Radiocarbon journal is a self-financing operation at this university. It does not receive funds from other departments of the university. All the funds to run the journal come from subscriptions and publishing contracts. Funds cannot be transferred from another university operation to fund the journal. 5. We would welcome any serious suggestions for other ideas and improvements. I think most will agree that Radiocarbon plays a useful role as a journal of record and technical information on this very important field. I might also add that Renee strongly supports a strong Radiocarbon journal and is personally concerned about its future. We would welcome any comments from Radiocarbon subscribers and users. I recommend you reply to my address and not to the list. Thanks for your time, best regards, Tim Jull Consulting Editor, Radiocarbon -------------------------------------------------------------- A. J. Timothy Jull tel. (520) 621-6816 NSF Arizona AMS Facility, fax. (520) 621-9619 Physics Building, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721 University of Arizona AMS Lab Web-Page: http://www.physics.arizona.edu/ams/www1.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:32:36 +0900 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Koji Okumura Subject: Oxcal on Macintosh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Dear folks: >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:29:42 +0900 >To: C14-L@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU >From: kojiok@ipc.hiroshima-u.ac.jp (Koji Okumura) >Subject: Oxcal on SoftWindows 95 In June, I reported the problem of Oxcal on Softwindows95 for the Macintosh. Notwithstanding kind advice of Dr. Ramsey the Oxcal has never worked on Softwindows95. Now I installed VirtualPC instead of Softwindows95 and reached to happy conclusion that Oxcal can run on Macintosh. It seems that the rouble was owing to the Softwindows95 itself. Macintosh is much more popular than PC/AT for Japanese Quaternary geologists, who cannot usually afford second PC for Windows, that the Oxcal on Macintosh will be good news for our community. Is it not the case in the states? Best of all. Koji Okumura, Hiroshima University ---------------------------------------------------------- Koji Okumura, Department of Geography Hiroshima University, Higashi-Hiroshima, 739, JAPAN Fax: +81-824-240320, Phone: +81-824-246657 ***** http://www.ipc.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~kojiok/ ***** ========================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:13:40 +0300 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: John Vogel Subject: Radiocarbon journal -Reply Dear Tim, Do you have forms for subscription to Radiocarbon? If you send me some I will send them to our archaeologists and quaternarists. John Vo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Dan Goldberg Subject: Re: Radiocarbon journal -Reply John Vo Rcd Email to Tim Sent to me in error. Dont even know what forms are. Better luck next Email. 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Marketing P O Box 146 Gaithersberg, MD 20884-0146 __________________________________________________ <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. his method is simple. You sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs you pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT'. You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided testimonials for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. By the spring, we wish to market the "Internet" by a partnership with America On Line. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to Email a copy of this exciting program to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000....and your name will be on everyone of them!! Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, 1 have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:40:07 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: David Sewell Subject: Re: $$$cash$$$ [Grr...] In-Reply-To: <199708280046.RAA38642@listserv.arizona.edu>; from Jennifer Diaz on Wed, Aug 27, 1997 at 05:32:54PM -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Aug 27, 1997 at 05:32:54PM -0700, Jennifer Diaz wrote: > Please take a moment, I thought you might be interested. [ridiculous bid for cash deleted] I'm sorry this subscriber slipped past the entrance check. Needless to say, she is no longer a subscriber. David Sewell C14-L List administrator ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:01:10 +0000 Reply-To: tkpfnta@ix.netcom.com Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Tim Perttula Organization: Archaeological and Environmental Consultants Subject: Re: $$$cash$$$ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I resent receiving this kind of bogus mail concerning $$$cash$$$ through the radiocarbon mailing list! Tim Perttula ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:36:37 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: William Cain Subject: Re: $$$cash$$$ In-Reply-To: <19970828003254.15994.rocketmail@send2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hope we don't see a repeat of this kind of thing. William F. Cain, SJ, Ph.D. Professor and Chair, Dept of Chemistry and Biochemistry Loyola Marymount University 7900 Loyola Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90045-8225 Telephone 310 338 7576 Fax 310 338 2905 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:34:53 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Allan Shanfield Subject: Re: $$$cash$$$ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, I know Spamming's obnoxious, but I'll keep this intellectual offer in mind if I'm locked out of jobs after my PhD. Maybe these geeks are providing a real-life service for unemployable "deep-thinkers"? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:07:15 -0400 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Richard Doyle Subject: Re: Fear I was amazed at all the complaints about a mail order offer for "cash". This offer has been around for 27,000 years. I applied simple c-14 dating methods to it and was supprised to learn that fact. Something this old should interest everyone in every disicipline of science. Just think of all the fantastic areas of research that can be launched. Just think of all the requests for funding that can be made. Why we could all get rich. I am currently asking all spammers if they want ot get rich by purchasing my report on the age of MLM. At 2 for $5.00 I recieved 42 billion requests and am now so rich that I can waste my time writing nonsense things like this. This was just a lame attempt at humor but what can it teach. I am sure that as this society progresses or degresses, as may be, we will see that there are a lot of changes we will all have to endure. The idea of the market coming into the home is here. In a short time in the future the shopping malls will cease to exist. It is cheaper to take orders and deliver the products than to build shopping centers. This is just one thing that the future holds for mankind. Another interesting fact is the change in education. It will be cheaper to educate students by computer. They can learn faster. The computer dosen't care how many times it has to go over the lecture. The computer is on duty 24 hours a day. And learning science through computer is more efficient than by humans because it is objective learning and not subjective learning like history or goverment. Take heed "Science Instructors" the day is here where the only way you may be able to get students is by "spamming". If that happens all the credentials and degrees will do no good if this "spamming" is blocked. Things are changing at a faster and faster rate. Instead of the decades it used to take to change social viewpoint it is happening ever increasingly. Six to eighteen months is how fast things change. The interactive teacher is already here the interactive PHD is right around the corner. The rules sre being changed so the rock solid intitutions of the past are losing their strength. Why shouldn't persons with knowledge pass that knowledge to more persons by means of writing a teaching program that can be purchased. One that when complete you get credit for. You may think no way and that is your right. But when you are out there spamming to get people to purchase you "knowlege gaining" report, you may think differently about "spamming." It is my prediction that education will be changed in such a way that we will not recognize it at all. The market for education will no longer bear its current methods. New and more effective methods of education are in the near future. These methods will replace the human teacher with an interactive one. The college campus of the future will be a cyber one. This future is not fifty years in the future either. It is already here. Its just that the educators of today just don't know it yet, they don't know they are the past. They don't know they are dead. It's time for them to lie down or embrace the newer methods of education. Soon I will able to go down to the store and purchase my college classes on CD ROM, take them home and connect into lectures by the greatest of minds. Lectures, that until then I would have to of paid high dollars for. Education is a marketable product. When a slum kid can have access to the same knowlege as anyone it will create a more productive labor force. Society likes more productive labor forces. With the measure of wealth no longer being gold but JOBS this will drive society on to the quest for education of its labor force, just like it used the gold rushes of days gone by to expand itself. Even different societies react in the same way to gaing knowlege There are a lot of incentives ahead for people with knowlege. I only hope that when you do have your interactive programs ready to market you will remember to 'spam" me. Until then I think I will put up with it. Who knows it may be the only way out. Just a thought Richard Doyle 2340 Meadowbrook Gardens #134 Fort Worth, Tx., 76112 (817) 446-3276