========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:36:27 +0000 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Andrew Millard Subject: chronometric hygiene MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone tell me who coined the phrase "chronometric hygiene", and where it was first published? Andrew ========================================================================= Dr. Andrew Millard A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk Department of Archaeology, University of Durham, Tel: +44 191 374 4757 South Road, Durham. DH1 3LE. United Kingdom. Fax: +44 191 374 3619 http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/ ========================================================================= =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:13:58 -0800 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Jeff Rasic Subject: Re: chronometric hygiene MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure if this is the first use of the term--I've seen it cited as such--but perhaps it will help get you closer. Spriggs, M. 1989 The Dating of the Island Southeast Asian Neolithic: An Attempt at Chronometric Hygiene and Linguistic Correlation. Antiquity 63:587-613. Jeff +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeff Rasic Department of Anthropology Washington State University Pullman, WA 99164 USA Andrew Millard wrote: > Can anyone tell me who coined the phrase "chronometric hygiene", and where > it was first published? > > Andrew > > ========================================================================== > Dr. Andrew Millard A.R.Millard@durham.ac.uk > Department of Archaeology, University of Durham, Tel: +44 191 374 4757 > South Road, Durham. DH1 3LE. United Kingdom. Fax: +44 191 374 3619 > http://www.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/ > ========================================================================== > > ============================================================================ > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:30:41 +1300 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Tom Higham Subject: Re: chronometric hygiene In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1228298250==_ma============" --============_-1228298250==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Can anyone tell me who coined the phrase "chronometric hygiene", and where >it was first published? Andrew, I think that was Matthew Spriggs in the paper: Spriggs, M. 1989. The dating of the Island Southeast Asian Neolithic: An attempt at chronometric hygiene and linguistic correlation. Antiquity 63:587-613. Cheers for now, __________________________ Dr Tom Higham, Deputy Director, Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory, University of Waikato, Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND. phone: +0064 7 838 4278 WWW: http://www.radiocarbondating.com WEBinfo: http://www.c14dating.com --============_-1228298250==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone tell me who coined the phrase "chronometric hygiene", and where it was first published? Andrew, I think that was Matthew Spriggs in the paper: TimesSpriggs, M. 1989. The dating of the Island Southeast Asian Neolithic: An attempt at chronometric hygiene and linguistic correlation. Antiquity 63:587-613. Cheers for now, __________________________ Dr Tom Higham, Deputy Director, Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory, University of Waikato, Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND. phone: +0064 7 838 4278 WWW: http://www.radiocarbondating.com WEBinfo: http://www.c14dating.com --============_-1228298250==_ma============-- =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:29:57 +0100 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: "Tesch, Roland" Subject: sample combustion using a Parr bomb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear all I am trying to find someone who could give me informations about Parr bombs, their use and suitability for different materials, wood, charcoal or organic fluids (vine,...). Thank you very much Roland Tesch ------------------------------------------------------ > DI Roland Tesch > EVIRONMENTAL AND LIFE SCIENCES > Department of Environmental Research > Low-Level-Counting Laboratory Arsenal > > Faradaygasse 3, Arsenal Objekt 214 > A-1030 Wien > Tel.: +43/(0)50550 - 6516 > Fax.: +43/(0)50550 - 6587 > http://www.arcs.ac.at/ > > > =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:07:09 +0800 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Bill Wilson Subject: Re: sample combustion using a Parr bomb In-Reply-To: <5BA140CB4BF6D2118C88009027417303D26599@ars06.arsenal.ac.at > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Door, Kromer and Munnich,1989, Fast 14C sample preparation of organic material. Radiocarbon, Vol 31, 3, 264-268 describe the operation of The Parr 1121 bomb for 14C sample prep. Parr also have an application note (note 210M) for the 1121 bomb. An email address I have for Parr which is a couple of years old is: parr@parrinst.com Moghissi, Brettauer, Whittaker and McNelis, 1975, Oxygen bomb combustion of environmental and biological samples for tritium analysis. International Journal of Applied Radiation and Isotopes V226 pp 339-342 describe the 1121 bomb in the context of various sample types. Regards, Bill Wilson At 04:29 PM 07/03/01 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all > >I am trying to find someone who could give me informations about Parr bombs, >their use and suitability for different materials, wood, charcoal or organic >fluids (vine,...). > > >Thank you very much >Roland Tesch >------------------------------------------------------ >> DI Roland Tesch >> EVIRONMENTAL AND LIFE SCIENCES >> Department of Environmental Research >> Low-Level-Counting Laboratory Arsenal >> >> Faradaygasse 3, Arsenal Objekt 214 >> A-1030 Wien >> Tel.: +43/(0)50550 - 6516 >> Fax.: +43/(0)50550 - 6587 >> http://www.arcs.ac.at/ >> >> >> > >============================================================================ >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. > Bill Wilson Department of Geography The University of Western Australia 35 Stirling Highway Crawley 6009 Western Australia http://www.uwa.edu.au/ Phone:+61 8 9380 2710 Fax :+61 8 9380 1054 wwilson@geog.uwa.edu.au _________________________________ =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:45:46 +0100 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: "Tesch, Roland" Subject: AW: sample combustion using a Parr bomb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Bill thank you very much for the references. I already found the first article in our library and I will try to get in contact with one of the authors. And of course additional references are give in this article. Using the e-mail address I found the homepage of Parr Instrument Company and a representative situated in Germany. Looks quite promising. Thank's a lot Roland Tesch > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bill Wilson [mailto:wwilson@GIS.UWA.EDU.AU] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 09. März 2001 03:07 > An: C14-L@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Betreff: Re: sample combustion using a Parr bomb > > Door, Kromer and Munnich,1989, Fast 14C sample preparation of organic > material. Radiocarbon, Vol 31, 3, 264-268 > > describe the operation of The Parr 1121 bomb for 14C sample > prep. Parr also > have an application note (note 210M) for the 1121 bomb. An > email address I > have for Parr which is a couple of years old is: parr@parrinst.com > > Moghissi, Brettauer, Whittaker and McNelis, 1975, Oxygen bomb > combustion of > environmental and biological samples for tritium analysis. > International > Journal of Applied Radiation and Isotopes V226 pp 339-342 > > describe the 1121 bomb in the context of various sample types. > > Regards, > > Bill Wilson > > > > At 04:29 PM 07/03/01 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear all > > > >I am trying to find someone who could give me informations > about Parr bombs, > >their use and suitability for different materials, wood, > charcoal or organic > >fluids (vine,...). > > > > > >Thank you very much > >Roland Tesch > >------------------------------------------------------ > >> DI Roland Tesch > >> EVIRONMENTAL AND LIFE SCIENCES > >> Department of Environmental Research > >> Low-Level-Counting Laboratory Arsenal > >> > >> Faradaygasse 3, Arsenal Objekt 214 > >> A-1030 Wien > >> Tel.: +43/(0)50550 - 6516 > >> Fax.: +43/(0)50550 - 6587 > >> http://www.arcs.ac.at/ > >> > >> > >> > > > >============================================================= > =============== > >To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to > >LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to > C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. > > > > Bill Wilson > > Department of Geography > The University of Western Australia > 35 Stirling Highway > Crawley 6009 > Western Australia > http://www.uwa.edu.au/ Phone:+61 8 9380 2710 Fax :+61 8 9380 1054 wwilson@geog.uwa.edu.au _________________________________ =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:34:40 -0500 Reply-To: David Elmore Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: David Elmore Organization: PRIME Lab Subject: New bulletin board forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PRIME Lab is sponsoring a new bulletin board for the Radiocarbon, AMS, and cosmogenic radionuclide communities to discuss research, instrumentation, techniques, conferences, or anything of general interest to these groups. You can access it off the PRIME Lab web page or by clicking here: http://plsv1.physics.purdue.edu/AMSBBCgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro . It is a versatile bulletin board system and is easy to add, delete, or change forums, so give me your suggestions. This bulletin board has advantages over email lists like this one. It does not fill up your email inbox. Posts and replies remain indefinitely and stay together. You can read posts at your convenience. The disadvantage is "out of sight, out of mind" and it is probable that the forums will not be used if not advertised frequently. Therefore, I will occasionally post messages to this group to point out interesting discussions that are taking place on the bulletin board. Of course anyone can answer and is encouraged to answer questions. At PRIME Lab we will monitor the forums often so questions do not sit there unanswered. I have set up the bulletin board so anyone can view any post, but to place a new post you have to register. This involves choosing a username and providing a valid email address. The initial password is emailed to you immediately. You can then change the password to one that is easier to remember by clicking on "profile". This BB has some very nice features. A topic starter can choose to receive an email message to notify you of replies. The email has a place to click to read the reply in your browser. Otherwise, no emails are sent. Another nice feature is that posters can edit their messages later, and moderators (up to 4 of them) can edit any message. If you run a web site that overlaps the subject matter of these forums, please post a link to the forums using the URL given above. Everyone: please try out our new bulletin board and give me your comments and suggestions. David ---------------------------------------------------------------o David Elmore, Professor of Physics Director, PRIME Lab, Purdue University, 1396 Physics Bldg West Lafayette IN 47907-1396 Email: Elmore@purdue.edu Work:765-494-6516 Fax:765-496-7228 Pager:765-423-5172 Home:765-583-3309 Home fax:765-583-3300 Cell:765-412-2174 or -2173 PRIME Lab web page URL: http://primelab.physics.purdue.edu/ =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:21:51 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Jac Roberts Subject: Plants on Mir Did the cosmonauts on Mir ever C14 date any plants that were raised on Mir? If any were in fact raised that is, what do you suppose the outcome of a test would be? If it has not been done I am curious to see it done, on the ISS. =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:50:34 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: "Alwynne B. Beaudoin" Subject: Three questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings! I was wondering if I could tap into the collective wisdom of this list for a consideration of three questions: 1. I have been contacted by a school student (aged around 13 - 14 I think) for information on C14 dating. She was especially wondering about fractionation - whether different organisms contain different amount of C14. Now, I have plenty of technical references on C14 dating (including Taylor's book), but I can't find a relatively simple and straightforward discussion, with all the supplementary information on fractionation, calibration etc., that I could recommend. Do any of you know of such an article or book? Something written at a Scientific American level would be good. I have checked the various on-line sources (including the C14 Web Info site) and all the links I have found are either too simple (not enough detail) or too complex. 2. On the subject of calibration, do you have any thoughts on the validity of using calibration curves beyond 10K? I seem to recall reading that the curve beyond 10K was based on so few samples that it is hardly valid. Since the 12K - 8K interval is especially critical for archaeology here in western Canada, I am anxious to get some more up-to-date information on this, especially with respect to calibration of dates around 10K. I note that a recent issue of Radiocarbon was devoted to calibration - perhaps one of these articles would deal with this? (UofA no longer subscribes so I cannot consult this directly). Do any of these articles update the standard Stuiver and Reimer (1993) reference for calibration? 3. Finally, are any of you aware of any slide sets that are available for teaching purposes dealing with dating techniques including C14?? I am thinking of something similar to the excellent series on various earth science and climate matters produced through NOAA. I recently gave a lecture on dating techniques in archaeology. I could find various graphs etc, but no really good illustrations that I could use. I usually like to use lots of slides in my lectures, so I suspect this was rather boring for the class! Many thanks for your patience with these rather lengthy questions. I am grateful for any responses. With best regards, Alwynne Alwynne B. Beaudoin, Archaeological Survey, Provincial Museum of Alberta 12845-102nd Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta, T5N 0M6, Canada abeaudoi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca http://www.pma.edmonton.ab.ca http://www.ualberta.ca/~abeaudoi/stuff/intro.htm =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:35:55 +0100 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: Paula Reimer Subject: Re: Three questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Alwynne, A good, straightforward reference to radiocarbon dating and calibration, including a brief, but useful section on isotope fractionation is the book "Radiocarbon Dating" by Sheridan Bowman. As to your calibration question, the calibration datasets were updated in 1998 to include tree-ring 14C measurements to 11,850 cal BP and a reasonably dense distribution of 14C measurements on varved sediments and U/Th dated corals back to about 15k cal BP (Stuiver et al., 1998a). Beyond that the data becomes more sparse and the uncertainty relatively large, but this is still preferable to uncalibrated radiocarbon ages. There is also an updated marine calibration dataset (Stuiver et al., 1998b). You can access the 1998 calibration datasets and both on-line and downloadable versions of the calibration program CALIB at www.calib.org. I'm afraid I don't know of a source of slides on radiocarbon dating. Best wishes, Paula Reimer References: S. Bowman, Radiocarbon Dating, 64 pp., British Museum Press, London, 1990. M. Stuiver, P.J. Reimer, E. Bard, J.W. Beck, G.S. Burr, K.A. Hughen, B. Kromer, G. McCormac, J. Van der Plicht and M. Spurk, INTCAL98 radiocarbon age calibration, 24,000-0 cal BP, Radiocarbon 40(3), 1041-1083, 1998a. M. Stuiver, P.J. Reimer and T.F. Braziunas, High-precision radiocarbon age calibration for terrestrial and marine samples., Radiocarbon 40, 1127-1151, 1998b. "Alwynne B. Beaudoin" wrote: > Greetings! > > I was wondering if I could tap into the collective wisdom of this > list for a consideration of three questions: > > 1. I have been contacted by a school student (aged around 13 - 14 I think) > for information on C14 dating. She was especially wondering about > fractionation - whether different organisms contain different amount of > C14. Now, I have plenty of technical references on C14 dating (including > Taylor's book), but I can't find a relatively simple and straightforward > discussion, with all the supplementary information on fractionation, > calibration etc., that I could recommend. Do any of you know of such an > article or book? Something written at a Scientific American level would be > good. I have checked the various on-line sources (including the C14 Web > Info site) and all the links I have found are either too simple (not enough > detail) or too complex. > > 2. On the subject of calibration, do you have any thoughts on the validity > of using calibration curves beyond 10K? I seem to recall reading that the > curve beyond 10K was based on so few samples that it is hardly valid. Since > the 12K - 8K interval is especially critical for archaeology here in > western Canada, I am anxious to get some more up-to-date information on > this, especially with respect to calibration of dates around 10K. I note > that a recent issue of Radiocarbon was devoted to calibration - perhaps one > of these articles would deal with this? (UofA no longer subscribes so I > cannot consult this directly). Do any of these articles update the standard > Stuiver and Reimer (1993) reference for calibration? > > 3. Finally, are any of you aware of any slide sets that are available for > teaching purposes dealing with dating techniques including C14?? I am > thinking of something similar to the excellent series on various earth > science and climate matters produced through NOAA. I recently gave a > lecture on dating techniques in archaeology. I could find various graphs > etc, but no really good illustrations that I could use. I usually like to > use lots of slides in my lectures, so I suspect this was rather boring for > the class! > > Many thanks for your patience with these rather lengthy questions. I am > grateful for any responses. > With best regards, > Alwynne > > Alwynne B. Beaudoin, Archaeological Survey, Provincial Museum of Alberta > 12845-102nd Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta, T5N 0M6, Canada > abeaudoi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca http://www.pma.edmonton.ab.ca > http://www.ualberta.ca/~abeaudoi/stuff/intro.htm > > ============================================================================ > To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to > LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. -- ****************************************** Dr. Paula J. Reimer School of Archaeology & Palaeoecology Queen's University of Belfast Belfast BT7 1NN Northern Ireland Phone: 44-(0)28-9027-3980 FAX: 44-(0)28-9031-5779 e-mail: p.j.reimer@qub.ac.uk http://www.qub.ac.uk/arcpal/staff/reimer =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:26:51 -0700 Reply-To: Radiocarbon Mailing List Sender: Radiocarbon Mailing List From: David Killick Subject: Any news on intercalibration? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the results of the 2000 intercalibration study of radiocarbon labs have been published, could someone please supply the reference(s)? If not, does anyone know when and where they will appear? Dave Killick Department of Anthropology University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721-0030 office (520) 621-8685 lab (520) 621-7986 =========================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send the command SIGNOFF C14-L to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU, or send a request to C14-L-request@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU.